Curse

Nemo the Capitalist · Oct 24, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by vergerefosh

Because Treasure Hunter and wisdom both give useful in-game effects. Lucky has same effect (but for chest opening) and is account wide. Salvaging is useful too

I would have to agree with you on that one but think of it this way

who in their right mind whould get max title except healer guru (i think thats his name) shiverpeak chest runs ftw.

even still getting title would be hard but more plausible to most current users.

LEts make it simillar to the 5/8 Act (US history) IF you know ur history quote me

jsut a suggestion and by no means do i support slavery

VanDamselx · Oct 24, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Clearly the time spent getting the title wouldn't be the same as you guys are saying. As of right now, the title requires you to play ONE character. But if you're one of those people who play multiple characters, you would be taking time away from the title by playing other characters.

I like this title the way it is because I for one am doing it on a character I value most. Once I do complete it, I'll be very proud to have my monk wear it.

I don't care what any of you think, it will definitely make this title easier to obtain if it is account wide.

Halmyr · Oct 24, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I don't see why not personaly, this has more benifits then negative.

-Help out more casual player by makig the title easier to attaint ( don't have to concentrate on 1 character, you can acquire the title by simply playing the game.)
-Allows you to show your "hardwork" more.
-Gives the benifit to multiple character

Really the only thing I can see are a few hardcore player who will QQ because more people will be attaining this title.

This will help more people then it will make whine.

leprekan · Oct 24, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Torqual

Totally agree with OP.

I play multiple characters, but on my principal one, I have played 600 hours and never walked past a high end chest leaving it unopened. I'm now on 475 chests opened. I haven't specifically gone on chest runs but have spent almost all my time in areas with 600g chests or in Hard Mode (and I'm a Vanquisher).

If it takes 600 hours to open 475 chests in Normal gameplay then that's potentially 12,000 hours to reach level 10, which is absurd.

Some people claim to have maxed this title and now jealously want to preserve their superiority. I have some problems with this. First of all, how the hell did you max it in the first place? In all explorable areas these days, whether on the 3 continents, GW:EN or Hard Mode, chests only start to spawn in numbers after you have killed a certain volume of enemies. This has been the case for some time so how are we supposed to ‘run’ them. Incidentally I used to go on FoW chest runs but recently I tried many times, sitting around in ToA trying to get groups together and it seems no-one does this any more.

So how/where are these chests being run? People asking for this title to be less ridiculous (do not read easy) to obtain are being portrayed as lazy, wanting a free title. Seriously, I’ve tried to come up with my own chest farming strategies, I have searched on both wikis and many forums and I cannot find a repeatable run to power level this title. I have Sunspear and Lightbringer top ranks, and I am not a person who is afraid to grind a title, but for crying out loud give us a method of doing it.

I am developing treasure hunter on 4 characters, and they are on around 475, 240, 150 and 130 chests opened respectively. What would be really better is if these were assimilated into an account-level title where my account had opened 1100 chests. It’s still *me* opening the chests, just like it’s *me* playing the Alliance Battles (doesn’t matter which character) and they all get to use the PvE Skills. The same applies to Luck, which has an in-game benefit. There is a massive inconsistency here, lockpick retain is a factor of two titles, one Character-based and another Account-based. This should be fixed.

I get as sick of people saying “not this topic again, close the thread” as those people get of reading it. Seriously, go away and read another thread if it offends you.

By the way, I am not asking for Wisdom to be account-based, as it effectively already is. You can switch all the items to one character and ID. I don’t mind having one specific ‘salvager’. In any case the value of this is now degraded massively due to the cheap availability of Perfect Salvage Kits.

One last point – money is not a problem and should not be a problem to obtain the keys to keep the title building. Personally, as I open the chests in normal gameplay, I make enough cash from completing the quests and missions and getting the standard drops. I am also set up as a trader on GWOnline traders and have made over 200k selling Weapons, Tomes and Mods over the last 3 months. This stuff might have gained me 5-10k at the merchant. I hate selling stuff in Kamadan too, it’s a case of knowing when you can dip in and get 10k for an Elite tome or whether something is going to take longer than ten minutes to sell.

So, I am not complaining about the cost of this title, I am not afraid of grinding for it (if it were possible) and I am not asking for Wisdom to be changed. I just think that it’s a bad inconsistency with Luck and Allegiance titles, and also that Treasure Hunter itself might well take 12000 hours to max (and that’s never walking past a chest).

People complained/fed back (or ‘whined’) about Gladiator, another ridiculous title, for a while and then A-Net fixed it intelligently. A-Net do listen and I think it’s quite realistic and reasonable to hope they may fix it, perhaps in the way we’re suggesting. Another way might be to give us a ‘triple treasure hunter point weekend’ or something similar. But come on, at least give us a chance to get a decent rank up. No-one expects a title for fee, but at the moment it’s like climbing Everest without equipment.

If you have only played 600 hours you are either a new player or a very casual one ... this title is not for the casual. There are only 7 ranks to max treasure not 10. If you don't believe the title is maxed or that it can be maxed pm me in game be happy to turn the title on for you. Chests spawn if you kill everything or NOTHING in any zone (shh you are showing you don't know anything about this title). A FoW chest run is not chest running .. that is people raping a high end chest for personal profit not a title.

Go to Tyria ... travel to Port Sledge. You can grind your title right outside that door. That is where anyone maxing it runs it. Small confined space with 3 chests in it that always spawn in same general location. You will be able to open up to 36 an hour .. assuming you have gotten good at running. Anyone claiming more than 36 an hour is not being honest and including iding and merching into the equation.

VanDamselx · Oct 24, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by leprekan

If you have only played 600 hours you are either a new player or a very casual one ... this title is not for the casual. There are only 7 ranks to max treasure not 10. If you don't believe the title is maxed or that it can be maxed pm me in game be happy to turn the title on for you. Chests spawn if you kill everything or NOTHING in any zone (shh you are showing you don't know anything about this title). A FoW chest run is not chest running .. that is people raping a high end chest for personal profit not a title.

Go to Tyria ... travel to Port Sledge. You can grind your title right outside that door. That is where anyone maxing it runs it. Small confined space with 3 chests in it that always spawn in same general location. You will be able to open up to 36 an hour .. assuming you have gotten good at running. Anyone claiming more than 36 an hour is not being honest and including iding and merching into the equation.

You might as well not argue about casual vs. hardcore. Everyone seems to think A-Net should cater to nothing but those who engage in casual play.

leprekan · Oct 24, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by booooYA

You might as not argue about casual vs. hardcore. Everyone seems to think A-Net should cater to nothing but those who engage in casual play.

LOL, doesnt matter if they like that argument it is accurate. Rank 15 in pvp takes what??? Time .. as do ANY of the titles that are in there to slow down the hardcore players. The guy I responded to has opened fewer in 600 hours across all his chars than I have in just GWEN on one. Anet can't do it anyway it would be abused to hell and back. As one character hit the purple zone on chests it could be dumped for another char to keep golds coming and title advancing. Where does it stop? Why not drunkard and sweet tooth? Enough of the dumbing down ... if they want something work for it.

Linksys · Oct 24, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

I think it should be account-wide along with the wisdom title. The Lucky title track is account-wide and that already affects the lockpick retain and salvage rate for all characters.

Same thing with the Kurzick and Luxon titles and how it affects the skills from those title tracks. Last I recall a character has to be level 20 to get them. But still, a character that has done nothing involving the tracks can still get the skills and benefit from what another character on the account has done.

If they do the change, I'd be glad. If not, it doesn't matter that much to me and besides this has already been addressed here a number of times. If they do the change, they can do an update that takes the treasure and wisdom count for all the characters on the account and add them up for an account-wide total.

EDIT: I should note that I didn't realize this thread had three pages and I probably repeated points that were already made. Also 10,000 is an awful lot for character only based title tracks. Even the Kurzick title track for those that do FFF goes faster, which is account based. In this case 1,000 Kurzick faction would be the equivalent to 1 chest opened or 1 gold item ID'ed. Even people who enjoy alliance battle may find the pace of what they're doing faster than their treasure/wisdom title tracks. Chest runners may find the opposite, but it takes some knowledge and persistence in finding out where a good chest run spot is. Things like AB is already readily available.

Torqual · Oct 24, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by leprekan

LOL, doesnt matter if they like that argument it is accurate. Rank 15 in pvp takes what??? Time .. as do ANY of the titles that are in there to slow down the hardcore players. The guy I responded to has opened fewer in 600 hours across all his chars than I have in just GWEN on one. Anet can't do it anyway it would be abused to hell and back. As one character hit the purple zone on chests it could be dumped for another char to keep golds coming and title advancing. Where does it stop? Why not drunkard and sweet tooth? Enough of the dumbing down ... if they want something work for it.

Let me summarise this for you.

1. You didn't read my post properly (despite quoting the entire page of it lol). I said, "I play multiple characters, but on my principal one, I have played 600 hours". Across all characters I have played 2300 hours. So firstly, your "stfu casual gamer" routine can be saved for someone else. I have plenty enough maxed titles across my characters, probably not as many as you, but I don't need disrespect from someone who can't take the time to read a post properly.

2. The point has been made that the change would give the same reward to people that want to spend 2300 hours across 6 characters (like I do) instead of 2300 hours on one (like others choose to). Ultimately the work required is the same. It's just about giving the same reward. I am not asking for this title to be MAXED for me, based on the 2300 hours and 1100 chests I have opened. I am just saying that having four level ones and one level two, really is like they split the Lucky title per character. I'm asking to be 1100/1200 so in fact only level 3/7..... so don't worry!

3. Your post is hilariously self-contradictory. How can a casual gamer like me expect to max the title in 600 hours, you ask? And yet you claim 36 chests per hour. So with a little practice this takes 278 hours to reach max?

4. So, you've opened 12,000 chests, at 36 per hour. This means that you have executed the same run 4,000 times at least, taking 333 hours.

And you think that maxing the title should be possible for people that are only prepared to do this? So what about other maxed titles like Legendary Spearmarshal that can be farmed in a handful of hours by comparison? How does this make you feel: bitter? I think I can see why. Or, if they made TH account level, or somehow better to achieve (i.e. without 333 hours of repeating the same action), I guess this would make you feel like you .... wasted 333 hours of your life repeating the same action to make a bar go up?

I was only asking for my character totals to be consolidated at account level, making me level 3. Really, I can empathise with you now, after reading your agonized posts. You're welcome to Level 7. But read people's posts properly before you give the "I'm a pro" speech.

And I hate to say it but I really don't think anyone is impressed by the 333 hours. Not something I would start boasting about. Sorry.

wilebill · Oct 24, 2007, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Not account wide as an anti-pro-farming/botting measure I think.

leprekan · Oct 24, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Torqual

Let me summarise this for you.

1. You didn't read my post properly (despite quoting the entire page of it lol). I said, "I play multiple characters, but on my principal one, I have played 600 hours". Across all characters I have played 2300 hours. So firstly, your "stfu casual gamer" routine can be saved for someone else. I have plenty enough maxed titles across my characters, probably not as many as you, but I don't need disrespect from someone who can't take the time to read a post properly.
I was only asking for my character totals to be consolidated at account level, making me level 3. Really, I can empathise with you now, after reading your agonized posts. You're welcome to Level 7. But read people's posts properly before you give the "I'm a pro" speech.

And I hate to say it but I really don't think anyone is impressed by the 333 hours. Not something I would start boasting about. Sorry.

I did read your post ... read my replies. Sorry, didn't have the 2300 hours disclosed to me in your original post so I was left to assume with so few hours played on your "primary" that it was the same for rest of account.

Again I pose this question .. why not consolidate drunkard and sweet tooth? How about survivor since those of us playing since launch didnt get that option? List goes on and on .. your argument for making it global is no better than any other argument to dumb down any title. Treasure is a gold sink just like sweet tooth and drunkard ... why would Anet make it a less effective gold sink? The QQ's won't change what the title is in the game for. I even told you short of drawing a picture exactly where to run the chests to max the title. Other than wanting to shortcut it I don't see a valid argument to combine the accounts.

Pogrim The Crusader · Oct 24, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

it's different than drunkardand sweet tooth because you can walk to the merchant and BUY a beer or bean cake. you can get sweet tooth in 2 minutes by simply having 200k, 2 mill for the max. you cannot buy a chest. it would not lessen the amount of time spent to get the title either. Think of it this way. I walk toa chest, i open the chest. Say it takes 5 minutes to do that...it is going to take 5 minutes no matter what character im on, so the time spent opening the chest for the title is the same. The way you are thinking of it is that it will be faster because you can open chests with any character to count towards one title..but what isn't being understood is that the character you open the chest with is still taking the time to do it. The NET time (not like internet) is the same, the GROSS time will be different because each character will have an amoutn of time spent opening chests to add up to the NET total, versus having 1 character with an equal GROSS and NET time spent farming.

MirkoTeran · Oct 25, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Go to Tyria ... travel to Port Sledge. You can grind your title right outside that door. That is where anyone maxing it runs it. Small confined space with 3 chests in it that always spawn in same general location. You will be able to open up to 36 an hour .. assuming you have gotten good at running. Anyone claiming more than 36 an hour is not being honest and including iding and merching into the equation.

Are you talking about HM? In NM, you can easy get more then 36/h.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Oct 25, 2007, 05:38 AM // 05:38

is it even possible to like get max title anymore..? b4 there were places to run, but i don't even know of any running places anymore.

wetsparks · Oct 25, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

The post right above yours MoldyRiceFrenzy tells you where to run the chests for this title.

leprekan · Oct 25, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Are you talking about HM? In NM, you can easy get more then 36/h.

Well before the last update charge was capped at 25% speed boost. At 33% you will of course shave a little off the time. For sustained chest grinding 36 is about the average with iding and merching. I am talking about length of time when things like a chest spawns at Droknars door etc. So overall average not the old .. woot all 3 spawned in loop it only took me 2 mins that time bs. You can only run from Sledge to Droks so fast end of story. If you are claiming more than 36 an hour feel free to pm me in game and show off to me. NM and HM are pretty much the same.

wetsparks · Oct 25, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

About that run, in normal mode the keys are 600g each, in hm 1500g each but you have a chance of retaining the lock pick and better drops, so what is more pocket book friendly?

leprekan · Oct 25, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

About that run, in normal mode the keys are 600g each, in hm 1500g each but you have a chance of retaining the lock pick and better drops, so what is more pocket book friendly?

The days of drops paying for that title are over. If cost is a concern your best bet is hard mode and pray for elite tomes to help ease the cost.

Nemo the Capitalist · Oct 25, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by leprekan

The days of drops paying for that title are over. If cost is a concern your best bet is hard mode and pray for elite tomes to help ease the cost.

yep yep yep............hard to make a profit theses days not worht it anymore

Mohnzh · Oct 26, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Titles should not be easy (aka worthless). They were meant to be rewards for people who do extraordinary feats. Too many titles are already way too easy to max (ie. LB/SS). There should not be ANY account wide titles except for possibly PvP. PLEASE no more threads like this. They happen every other day and it's just people wanting to have everything GIVEN to them. If you do not want to only play on one character, then don't bother getting titles. Do what you ENJOY.

wetsparks · Oct 26, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

Thanks, I knew that I wasn't going to make a profit, just want the least amount of loss while doing it.